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TTC trying with Soy Inflavones and EPO?!

Postby waitingsux » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:19 pm

Hey ladies...

My name is Tiffany and I am TTC #3. I have an almost 7 yr old and a 4yr old. With those two I never really had to TTC. Never kept logs or track of ovulation and cycle lengths. This time since I would like to get a BFP as soon as possible, I am trying everything in the book (or online :D ) I've been having no success. I know I may be dreaming, but Id love twins right now. I can only have 3 C-sections but always wanted 4 kids. Im on CD2 and Ive been reading a lot about EPO and Soy Inflavones. Im def going to to give it a try. Has anyone tried it, or heard success stories on it. Looking for someone to give me encouragement...need a buddy!!
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Postby mof » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:53 am

Hi Tiffany,

I'm Lorrie, ttc number 3, first with dh though. He has twins - ds & dd 8, ds 6. I have ds 9 and dd 6. I know it sounds like a lot but we're only all together every fortnight and some weeks in the school holidays. Dh and I have a job share so one of us is always around for the kids.

I got pregnant with ds in a week changing over the pill and with dd the first cycle I ovulated after coming off the pill so was a bit disappointed not to conceive last month (1st cycle ttc). I decided to take EPO and soy this month as I'm 30 and don't want the age gap between my kids to be any bigger than it is so want to hurry things along. Also my childrens' school only has one intake a year so if this baby is not born until after September next year it won't start school til its 5!

I took EPO since the start of :af: this cycle. I didn't read up about soy isoflavones until I was cd8 but I took them for 3 days then. Heard its supposed to be from cd1-5 or 5-9 but decided it couldn't really hurt to be a couple of days out. Last month I didn't chart but I didn't get a positive on my opk. This month I have had loads of ewcm, I mean stupid amounts! Dh commented that it was so much there was a loss of friction! (Sorry if tmi lol) Assuming this was from the EPO as I did not have anything like this last month. Got 2 very strong positives on my opks on cds 14 and 15. Also had a very noticeable temperature dip the day before these tests which I read was a sign of estrogen peaking. I ovulated on cd 15 according to my chart on Fertility Friend. I felt a lot of cramping the day before and on the day I ovulated. I'm also pretty sure I felt ovulation pain on the left, then on the right 2 days later.

I would be quite happy to have twins (yes I know I'm crazy and dh would probably have a breakdown but I love my babies!) and I have read that taking soy on the first 5 days of your cycle can make you ovulate more than one egg. Taking it later can cause a stronger ovulation and more mature egg.

I'm only 3dpo now so far too early for a test but I'll let you know if I get my :bfp: if you like? Know I'm a bit further on in my cycle but happy to buddy up with you if you would like as I've done the EPO and SI too this month?

Extra babydust for twins for you but will be crossing my fingers for just a :bfp: for you.

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Postby waitingsux » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:16 pm

Hi Lorrie...

Im so excited you found me on here and we're doing the same things!! I would love for you to know if the EPO and Si work for you this month!! I am 4cd right now. Started taking EPO and SI on 2cd. So from what you're saying, I should/could have more then one egg drop?? Then that does mean possible?! Oh how that would make me happy :D I am 28. DH is 33. Its just us and our DD and DS. 4 and almost 7. I never have a problem with the "O", I dont think :? I always have "O" pain. Ever since I was younger. I never knew what it was, but I knew I always had it, and when I finally asked my OBGYN about it, they confirmed it was "O" pain. I keep track only by the app on my phone. And every month, my cycle starts right on target, and my "O" pain starts the day it says Im indeed "O"ing. So...I might be making some assumptions, but I think I can by pass the OPK. I usually have a short visit of the :af: But since I started the EPO and SI, it was gone today?! Did that happen to you, or were you past that point since you said you started on 8cd? I decided to do 2cd-7cd. I thought that was the best time for mutiples? Do you think so. Im excited to buddy up with you. We can go through it together. I dont read much of EPO and SI on this site, but Ive seen it a lot on the ones. But you were exactly who I was hoping for :) Crossing my fingers for us!! Im hoping to read that you get your :bfp: first time you test!! Yeahhhhh for twins :jump:
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Postby mof » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:44 pm

I started the epo on my first day of bleeding and :af: was only 3 days and quite light but don't know if that was why? I had 2 hideous bleeds after having my coil removed, very very heavy bleeding like I've never had before. This was the first bleed that was more normal for me but in my days before bc it was more like 5 days of bleeding.

Are you charting? I found that the most helpful thing to do. With dd I know I didn't ovulate 1st cycle but did 2nd and got :bfp: on that one. Seems similar this time although we used condoms 1st month after having my coil out so I could date the pregnancy properly. Seems it took me til my 3rd cycle to start working again. This is the only way I can be sure I ovulate, my chart is so clear now. Don't know how to add if here but if I can work it out I will.

As for the soy, the days you're doing sound right. There are so many variations I've read but generally I think that the rule is earlier for multiple eggs. I stopped taking the epo once I ovulated as I read it can cause mild womb contractions that interfere with implantation. They say to switch to flaxseed oil. I got some vegetarian omega 3 as that was flaxseed. I'm also taking b6 to encourage a longer luteal phase. Don't know if its short as I didn't ovulate last month but only taking 20mg so its not a high dose. There are 10mg in my pregnacare tablet and take an extra 10mg of just b6. I also drank pro biotic yogurt drinks as this is supposed to improve the ph of the vagina and make it a better environment for sperm. If you got paid to Google I'd be rich!

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Postby waitingsux » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:08 am

Well?! Any sign of a BFP yet?! I was so busy this weekend, I didnt have time to reply. But when I got back to work, ad had moments where I had nothing to do...what pops into mind? TTC!! lol. Im suppose to "O" next Wednesday. I heard that the soy sometimes makes you "O" early. So maybe that'll be the case. I'll make sure to BD every night then, just in case. All of a sudden on Saturday, I got really bad neck soreness. I couldnt move my neck down or to the left. Im not sure what caused it, but as crazy as I am, I stopped soy, and EPO. I doubt they're the cause, but better I eliminate anything new, and I could maybe get rid of this pain. I saw the Chiro first thing this morning. Had a few adjustments, but it still hurts. I feel nauseous and I have a mild headache. With these symptoms you would think I got my BFP 2 wks ago. Im still waiting to "O". Hope I catch it this month, and I hope even though I only did Soy for 3 days, it still does something. I started to think, maybe I was getting a little crazy over it all. Maybe I shouldn't try so hard?! Maybe Im stressing myself out so much, its making me sick. Right now, I feel like crap. I hope it just goes away so I can focus on BDing and making it happen. Ughhhh!! Well, hope to hear from you soon! Good news, I hope!!
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Postby mof » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:19 am

Hi,

I haven't tested yet, I have loads of the cheapie tests but I still think its a bit early.

I have had a couple of good signs. Yesterday (5dpo) I had some sharp stabbing pains in my right hand side, really quite painful ones. They lasted from 10am til I went to bed but they were only every now and again. I told dh that if I had a temperature dip the next day I would be quite excited about it being implantation pains and when I temped this morning there was a massive dip! I think my chart is now in my signature if you want a look.

I've also had some creamy cm and when I put that into my chart on FF it said 30% of pregnant woman have this on this day post ovulation, which is pretty high compared to the other signs. I read that after implantation the cervix seals up with its mucus plug.

I might be reading too much into all these things but I am feeling quite positive. My boobs really hurt but then they quite often do before :af: anyway and I've had back ache and tired legs but those 3 things aren't unusual for a normal cycle. I think I will test with the FRER I've got left on Friday when I'll be 10dpo. I might test with some of the cheapies I've got the next few mornings though, as I've got so many of them. If it was implantation yesterday then I reckon by Friday I should get a reasonable result.

I don't know what your neck pain could be though. I didn't have anything like that while I was taking the soy or the epo but I suppose everyones body reacts differently to things. Or it could just be completely unrelated. The waiting is really hard though isn't it? Its not just the last two weeks, the first two weeks seem to drag and by the time you get to ovulation it feels like forever until you can test or get your :af: and just get ready for the next round.

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Postby waitingsux » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:11 pm

Well your signs seem pretty positive. Just stay positive. And lets speak our :bfp: into existence. You're right about the CM. Its a good sign. Im crossing my fingers for you. I think if you're having all these pains and stuff, Friday should be a good day to test with FRER. To be honest, I dont like them so much. I know they're suppose to be 6 days sooner, but have you heard of Answer? I know they sensitivity is very good. If you havent bought the FRER yet, maybe give the Answer a shot on Friday. That was the one I took with my DD when every other one kept giving me :bfn: Even the doctors!!

Im sure my neck pain is not related. But I also know I have a very sensitive system, and any kind of medications make me feel different. I couldnt even handle Prenatal vitamins with I was pregnant with both my DS and DD...I took 2 Flinstone vitamins everyday instead which have the exact same thing, just 1/2 the dosage of every ingredient. I just feel so out of norm. Im usually the type that can shake it off. But this neck pain, gives me headaches, and the headaches make me feel sick. I just cant seem to shake this one, or push through it. I hope by tomorrow I start to feel a little better, and I can concentrate on BDing. hahaha :) Funny to say that, but its kind of important :wink: And not knowing exactly when Im going to "O" after the Soy, like I said earlier, I dont want to miss the day. So wether I feel like crap or not, I will BD, damn it :) I dont track anything, I know you asked me before. The last 6 months or more, I would get my AF on the exact date my app said, and I would feel sharp pain in my ovaries the day it said I was to be "O". So I hope its accurate. I guess we'll see. If nothing happens this month, I guess it cant hurt to give charting a try. I just hope that this is my month. Keep me posted on the cheapies, and the FRER or Answer. Im living through your TWW right now :D Good luck. Hoping for a nice early :bfp:
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Postby mof » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:30 pm

Can you get Answer in the UK do you know? I suppose its got a UK equivilant if it doesn't come under that name. Just don't think I've seen that brand in the shops.

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Postby mof » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:33 pm

Quick Google has just revealed that Answer is available in the UK! Swear I'd never heard of it before. lol x
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Postby waitingsux » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:00 am

So I guess you're going to hunt down the Answer test :) Im sorry...I didnt realize your location. I hope you find it, and if you dont, Im sure you have something there we dont have here. So my neck still hurts. But my headaches and nausea are subsiding. Now Im just watching the days for my big "O" day. I had a question for you. Im sure you've heard of Pre-seed. It seems to be very popular on every website. I wasn wondering about Vagisil Intimate Lubricant. I know you have to be very scarce on the lubes. For they can harm the sperm, and delay getting your BFP!! I know I have a PH problem. My doctor always told me, I have too much good bacteria. That I clean down there too well. haha...I never thought you could clean too much, but I guess there are exceptions for everything. Anyways...the too much good bacteria causes the my CM to be very acidic I think, and thats why its so hard for me. Have you heard of anyone using the Vagisil one? I wanna make sure I have all my ducks in a row, and Im ready with Ammo when the day comes!! Any news yet with the cheapies? Hope to hear from you soon!!
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Postby mof » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:22 am

Hi,

I don't really know about the lube. I haven't ever used any from a conception point of view. I've heard about this pre seed too but I don't think I'd consider using it unless it was taking some time to conceive.

I took a cheapie this morning but :bfn: . I don't really feel upset cos it is still early and I've had such a good cycle with my temps that I will be quite surprised if I do get :af: . I'm trying to stick to the mindset of just gathering information this month so that if I'm not pregnant I can compare it all properly next month.

My temperature has gone back up a bit this morning so as long as it keeps rising over the next few days I'll be happy. At least until I get :af: if thats whats coming!

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Postby mof » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:40 am

http://www.countdowntopregnancy.com/pre ... eryid=7376

Hi Tiffany,

what do you think? Too faint to get my hopes up? Looks clearer in real life than in this photo, just concerned that the test area has got too wet cos its still pink 3hrs after I took it.

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Postby waitingsux » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:38 am

I say you just got your first glimpse of a :bfp: !!!!!! OMG...how exciting! 8dpo, huh? Imagine in another couple days what that line will look like. Is that a cheapie? I hope you take one everytime you have to pee for the next couple days. I knew your signs and symptoms seemed so real. Does that mean the SI worked? You're positive outcome is getting me excited!! Even thought Im stilllllllll waiting to "O". Let me know when you take another one. Cant wait to hear back from you!!
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Postby mof » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:09 am

Hi,

disappointingly it seems like that test was wrong. By the evening it had cleared out all the pinkness in the test area and any line that was there had faded down to nothing. I've done 2 this morning and both :bfn: but I'm trying to stay positive as I am only 9dpo, my temps are still high and until I see that witch I'm still in the game!

How are you? Any sign of the big O? I suppose you're not due for that until around the beginning of next week? Which is when I'm due for :af: or hopefully my :bfp: !

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Postby waitingsux » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:39 am

Oh no, Lorrie! Im sorry. I know the disappointment. But dont get discouraged, its still pretty early. I mean, today you would be 9dpo, right? Its said, implantation takes fom 6-10 days, so you might just not have enough HCG in your system for the test to pick up. I would wait a day or so, and try again. And again, and again...all the way until the :af: is scheduled. I hope she doesnt show, and rather you get a visit from the :bfp: fairy!! Im still in the waiting stage for the "O". Although, with that being said, Ive been having a lot of EWCM. I was so excite to see that!! Ive just been so tired lately, I have not BD'd as much. Im hoping tonight we can do a little dancing :) Im trying not to obsess about it, like I did last month. That only makes the disappointment harder to bare, and then Im an emotional wreck for the next couple days. I figure, if its my month, its my month...not obsessing and waiting it out to test might make it more enjoyable if I do get a :bfp: . Ive been feeling a little achiness in my ovaries...Im hoping that a good sign. I cant really pinpoint which one it is, since its the whole lower abdomen that aches. Im just gonne be calm about it, and not jump for joy just cause I saw some EWCM. Again, not letting my hopes climb the latter, only to jump of in a few weeks. Maybe, you took another test, since you wrote me? If you did, anything?? Cant wait to hear from you again. Your symptoms seem so sure. Still have FX. Just relax, dont stress out. I bet its all you can think about, I know thats how it is for me. And I also know, thats easier said, then done. Hope to hear from you soon!!
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